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Hubman Seine Dudeheit Registered: May 2000 Location: Nürnberg vs. Vl.. Posts: 5835	02.03.2005 - 21:26 Zitat von Telemicus Rade In a lot of Europe it is illegal to sell and own Nazi artifacts. It is also illegal to recruit for a Nazi party. Is this not worse than firing this professor? damit hast du natürlich recht (objekt gesehen), du musst aber immer bedenken, was das ganze Volk damals "mitgemacht" hat und der Nationalsozialismus in seinem vollen Ausmaß hier (Deutschland, Österreich,...) stattgefunden hat und nicht in den USA/Kanada zudem sind diese Gesetze schon ziemlich alt und wurden in einer Zeit gemacht, in der das noch viel viel präsenter und noch viel mehr in den Köpfen der Menschen war noch ein Kommentar zu den Republikanern, das Aussenhandelsdefizit ist sehr sehr hoch, das Haushaltsdefizit ebenfalls sehr sehr hoch, das Wirtschaftswachstum ist absolut nicht qualitativ und baut nur auf den Schulden des Staates und ich kenne kaum wenn der sagt, die Wirtschaft läuft unter Bush besser als unter Clinton so sieht es zumindest für mich als Europäer aus
XXL insomnia Registered: Feb 2001 Location: /dev/null Posts: 15703	02.03.2005 - 23:04 du darfst ehemalige nazi-uniformen besitzen, unser geschichte-kehrere hatte unmengen von uniformen, orden usw. imho sollte man sowas auch net verbieten weils einfach zur geschichte dazugehört, aber die ganzen flaggen usw. in der öffentlichkeit herumzutragen ist imho schon verboten weils wiederbetätigung ist, aber teilweise wirds schon übertrieben (wenn ich da an wolfenstein3d denke das in österreich nie verkauft werden durfte und die ganzen spiele nur ein ritterkreuz statt dem hakenkreuz verwenden find ich das schon ein bischen übertrieben ...)
radio Banned by Moderators Registered: Nov 2000 Location: Wien Posts: 1556	02.03.2005 - 23:36 @xxl du darfst abzeichen usw. haben, wenn das hakenkreuz rausgefeilt wurde...
DaVe dA RiPPA MASTERMIND Registered: Jun 2001 Location: Wien Posts: 836	02.03.2005 - 23:54 Zitat von Telemicus Rade Well Dave, I consider the Democrats to be far left, and Republicans to be left-center. well, this shift of perspectives might explain why europeans and americans have certain problems in their political trans-atlantic relations... i'm serious, i and many other europeans consider the democrats to be center and the republicans right wing. Zitat von Telemicus Rade I do not consider someone center who believes in redistribution of wealth. according to this - your - statement, all austrian political parties are left-of-center, even those nearly all of us would consider moderate to far right wing! Zitat von Telemicus Rade If you agree with Prof. Churchill's perspective, do you support making Nazi parties illegal? Isn't this also crushing down on the opposition? well, that is a tough question. i, personally, think it isn't a bad thing that it is illegal (at least in this certain case) to promote racism and genocide. it should be illegal in any case, though.
t3mp I Love Gasoline Registered: Mar 2003 Location: upstairs Posts: 6254	03.03.2005 - 00:36 Zitat von Telemicus Rade Well Dave, I consider the Democrats to be far left, and Republicans to be left-center. Considering the Democrats to be far left you ought to think about our European social-democratic parties of being communistic! In fact, many Americans think so as can be read in various forums... which is absurd, because we don't really have those left-right divisions anymore, but only centric parties slightly aligning more left or right. This is indeed one of the greatest misunterstandings between Europe and the US, which began during McCarthy era, that huge propaganda machine against everything that smelled a bit too left. I think this is bad for the US as it hinders any -slight- social approach (e.g. Kerry) with being "charged" as "far left".
Telemicus Rade Bloody Newbie Registered: Feb 2005 Location: NH, USA / Quebec.. Posts: 0	03.03.2005 - 04:53 Zitat von radio Well body... My English is poor... Non Native Speaker... Thats fine. Better than my German. Zitat 1st of all... Why should be the Republicans good economics... Giving big companies big gains isnt good for economics, because econmic=cash flow...->if the big companies collect the money... it cant be use to flow in the cylce... giving the people money is good... so they can spend it... and companies need to produce things and for this they need workers...so the production increases... in austria we got the same problem... we got the ÖVP(many industrialists are member of them) ... they decrease taxes for big companies... and the companies keep their gains... It is true that Republicans are more likely to give money to big companies. And I agree that is a very bad thing. However, Democrats are also very likely to give money to companies, just different companies. I believe the Republicans are better because of several reasons. Probably my most important reason is taxation. Democrats like increasing taxes which is bad for business. Democrats also like to make more laws to restrict businesses, more regulations, and other bad things. Hence, Republicans are better. You cannot just give the money to the workers. Workers must earn money, not get it for free. The "free" money was taken from someone else who DID do the work. Why should they not be compensated fairly for the services they performed? Taking from the rich and giving to the poor discourages the rich from working harder, and encourages the poor not to work because they get free stuff. Not good. Zitat well at your NAZI argument... in the USA the communist party ist practical forbidden... You are correct, and I disagree with that. Zitat and freedom of opinion is limited in one thing: opinions which endanger the base consensus(opinions like gas and burn all jews or make a dictatorship arent acceptable/tolerable for democracy) I do not believe in a thought police. I think it is fine (but not nice) to think and hate all Jews, or blacks, or whatever, but it is when you perform an illegal act when you should be punished. Thinking bad thoughts isn't going to kill anyone. Zitat cya.... PS: arent u canadian? [/B] I am both. Zitat von Jedi (attention: worse english ) the basic thought behind the "original" Nazi party was to "clean" the human race by killing million of people. do you think it's a good idea to allow such a party? Well Jedi, I think it is a matter of perspective. If they do not hurt anyone else, then I do not see any problem with allowing them. The majority of people will never vote for them. I realize Hitler won re-election, but that was because of trickery, unusual circumstances, and the majority of people that didn't know what they were voting for. Zitat von Hubman damit hast du natürlich recht (objekt gesehen), du musst aber immer bedenken, was das ganze Volk damals "mitgemacht" hat und der Nationalsozialismus in seinem vollen Ausmaß hier (Deutschland, Österreich,...) stattgefunden hat und nicht in den USA/Kanada zudem sind diese Gesetze schon ziemlich alt und wurden in einer Zeit gemacht, in der das noch viel viel präsenter und noch viel mehr in den Köpfen der Menschen war noch ein Kommentar zu den Republikanern, das Aussenhandelsdefizit ist sehr sehr hoch, das Haushaltsdefizit ebenfalls sehr sehr hoch, das Wirtschaftswachstum ist absolut nicht qualitativ und baut nur auf den Schulden des Staates und ich kenne kaum wenn der sagt, die Wirtschaft läuft unter Bush besser als unter Clinton so sieht es zumindest für mich als Europäer aus Yes, I realize we have never had a national socialist party and that we can never know what that would do to a people or culture. I'm just saying that I do not believe in controlling people's thoughts, or what they do, or how they mix with other people. Unless, of course, if they do something illegal. That is bad. You're right. The budget deficit is high. I hate Bush for doing that. The trade deficit is irrelevant because of capital inflows that are not counted. The economy is doing very well, compared to Europe. I mean, Germany is suffering. The weak dollar, although many people like to claim it to be a bad thing, is actually a very good thing for us (although very bad for Europe). Zitat von XXL du darfst ehemalige nazi-uniformen besitzen, unser geschichte-kehrere hatte unmengen von uniformen, orden usw. imho sollte man sowas auch net verbieten weils einfach zur geschichte dazugehört, aber die ganzen flaggen usw. in der öffentlichkeit herumzutragen ist imho schon verboten weils wiederbetätigung ist, aber teilweise wirds schon übertrieben (wenn ich da an wolfenstein3d denke das in österreich nie verkauft werden durfte und die ganzen spiele nur ein ritterkreuz statt dem hakenkreuz verwenden find ich das schon ein bischen übertrieben ...) Well, by that logic we can forbid anyone from speaking out against Bush, or at the very least force the university to fire this professor. Why is that bad, but banning Nazi literature is good? Zitat von DaVe dA RiPPA Zitat von XXL du darfst ehemalige nazi-uniformen besitzen, unser geschichte-kehrere hatte unmengen von uniformen, orden usw. imho sollte man sowas auch net verbieten weils einfach zur geschichte dazugehört, aber die ganzen flaggen usw. in der öffentlichkeit herumzutragen ist imho schon verboten weils wiederbetätigung ist, aber teilweise wirds schon übertrieben (wenn ich da an wolfenstein3d denke das in österreich nie verkauft werden durfte und die ganzen spiele nur ein ritterkreuz statt dem hakenkreuz verwenden find ich das schon ein bischen übertrieben ...) I know. Zitat according to this - your - statement, all austrian political parties are left-of-center, even those nearly all of us would consider moderate to far right wing! As far as I'm concerned, for myself, yes, I consider most of Europe to be very far left. Zitat von t3mp Considering the Democrats to be far left you ought to think about our European social-democratic parties of being communistic! In fact, many Americans think so as can be read in various forums... which is absurd, because we don't really have those left-right divisions anymore, but only centric parties slightly aligning more left or right. This is indeed one of the greatest misunterstandings between Europe and the US, which began during McCarthy era, that huge propaganda machine against everything that smelled a bit too left. I think this is bad for the US as it hinders any -slight- social approach (e.g. Kerry) with being "charged" as "far left". McCarthy is a hero of mine! Kerry is considered far left because he proposes TOO MANY changes I think. For example, I believe the following: - taxes: 0% income tax, 0% sales tax. The only income the federal government will have is 3% interest charged on money lent by the Treasury, duties (import taxes), and levies (gas tax on gasoline, for example) - crime: mandatory death penalty for all murders, rapes, kidnappings, child molestors. Anyone in jail has the option of execution if they don't want to serve a sentence. - abortion: illegal always - gay marriage and polygamy: Marriage should not be controlled by the government. - guns: No control by the government. - government: I'd shut down 95% of the government, leaving only the core government. - UN: withdraw from the UN immediately - education: all schools are private, but government vouchers so all kids can go to any school - government budget: 85% national defense, 15% administration, salaries, etc. 0% health care, 0% welfare, 0% anything else - drugs: any drugs should be available to anyone. Nothing should be illegal.
that Hoffnungsloser Optimist Registered: Mar 2000 Location: MeidLing Posts: 11326	03.03.2005 - 08:10 Zitat von Telemicus Rade I believe the Republicans are better because of several reasons. Probably my most important reason is taxation. Democrats like increasing taxes which is bad for business. Democrats also like to make more laws to restrict businesses, more regulations, and other bad things. Hence, Republicans are better. Large companies exist only to make shareholders richer, at the cost of the workers. As long as politicians favor business over people, the majority suffers. Zitat von Telemicus Rade You cannot just give the money to the workers. Workers must earn money, not get it for free. The "free" money was taken from someone else who DID do the work. Why should they not be compensated fairly for the services they performed? Taking from the rich and giving to the poor discourages the rich from working harder, and encourages the poor not to work because they get free stuff. Not good. Does a CEO who gets 500 times the money of an ordinary worker really work 500 times harder? As soon as you are rich, you don't have to work anymore to increase your wealth, your money works for you. Of course, money doesn't really do any work, so in reality it's the workers who have to work not only for themselves, many making less than $8 per hour, but they also have to work for the rich so they get even richer. Not good.
Jedi PROGrAMmER Registered: May 2002 Location: linz Posts: 1871	03.03.2005 - 12:35 Zitat von Telemicus Rade Zitat von d3cod3 gegen TOM einen frag in q3 machen these are Bad things for big companies. it gives the less big companies the chance to survive. this is good for economy ... imho: USA is going towards a 2. world country if the situation does not change. Zitat Well, by that logic we can forbid anyone from speaking out against Bush, or at the very least force the university to fire this professor. Why is that bad, but banning Nazi literature is good? Nazis told lies, the professor tells the truth. ps: please do not compare comunism and nazism if you speak about good (legal) parties. these are two completely different things. thank you
DaVe dA RiPPA MASTERMIND Registered: Jun 2001 Location: Wien Posts: 836	03.03.2005 - 13:07 Zitat von Telemicus Rade I believe the Republicans are better because of several reasons. Probably my most important reason is taxation. Democrats like increasing taxes which is bad for business. Democrats also like to make more laws to restrict businesses, more regulations, and other bad things. Hence, Republicans are better. Regulations for companies are a very good thing. They ensure the safety and health of the workers and environment regulations keep our environment clean. We have a very good air quality, one of the best water qualities in the world (even many of our lakes have drinking-water quality!) I don't want any silly-minded company to ruin that. Zitat von Telemicus Rade You cannot just give the money to the workers. Workers must earn money, not get it for free. The "free" money was taken from someone else who DID do the work. Why should they not be compensated fairly for the services they performed? Taking from the rich and giving to the poor discourages the rich from working harder, and encourages the poor not to work because they get free stuff. Not good. See the response of user "that" (two above). He made a very good point. Zitat von Telemicus Rade If they do not hurt anyone else, then I do not see any problem with allowing them. The majority of people will never vote for them. But by doing that you give them a public speechbase, they can redistribute their opinion, and you then have to listen to them (e.g. on tv) wether you want it or not. once they are allowed to speak, someone will listen to what they say. Zitat von Telemicus Rade I'm just saying that I do not believe in controlling people's thoughts It's not about controlling thoughts, it's about not giving them the possibility to promote their ideas. Zitat von Telemicus Rade You're right. The budget deficit is high. I hate Bush for doing that. The trade deficit is irrelevant because of capital inflows that are not counted. The economy is doing very well, compared to Europe. Well, there was a time in europe, when economy did extremely well, too. we had full employment. that was under hitler. and it was because of the war industry. present situation in the u.s.: sure, the economy does well, because of the high deficit which bush accepts in order to achieve that growth. Zitat von Telemicus Rade McCarthy is a hero of mine! I don't know much about this guy, but i hope your statement is meant as a joke... (if i'm not confusing something) Zitat von Telemicus Rade - taxes: 0% income tax, 0% sales tax. The only income the federal government will have is 3% interest charged on money lent by the Treasury, duties (import taxes), and levies (gas tax on gasoline, for example) see my final comment. not a good idea at all. Zitat von Telemicus Rade - crime: mandatory death penalty for all murders, rapes, kidnappings, child molestors. Anyone in jail has the option of execution if they don't want to serve a sentence. death penalty is a shame for a democracy. aside from that, there have been many studies which showed that -it doesn't prevent crimes -it's more expansive than life imprisonment -it's a very bad example to show people, that the gov. has the right to kill somebody Zitat von Telemicus Rade - abortion: illegal always always legal. but: the focus should be on contraception. sex education is very important. must be mandatory in schools! Zitat von Telemicus Rade - gay marriage and polygamy: Marriage should not be controlled by the government. 100% agree. Zitat von Telemicus Rade - guns: No control by the government. would be ok if it worked that way. but it doesn't work at all. so guns should be mostly forbidden (like here in austria, or even better, no guns at all like in great britain, only for police, army and hunters) the experience shows, that where guns are, people get shot. i don't need a gun and i don't want a gun and i don't want the poeple around me to possess guns. only very few criminals here in austria carry guns with them. a bankrobber probably would have a gun. but not a guy who robbs people on the street or somebody who breaks into your house. and that is a very good thing, because i don't want to get shot in such a situation, maybe only because the robber/thief feels insecure. no school shootings here, no weirdos with weapons, no gang crime. no weapons. good thing. (and if a girl feels insecure she can get a pepper spray) Zitat von Telemicus Rade - government: I'd shut down 95% of the government, leaving only the core government. not possible and makes no sense at all. government should have power, would be a very bad thing if only companies had power. Zitat von Telemicus Rade - UN: withdraw from the UN immediately un is a very important institution. don't withdraw from them just because the try to stop you from doing stupid things. (e.g. iraq; no connection to bin laden at all, no WMD found at all!!!!!) Zitat von Telemicus Rade - education: all schools are private, but government vouchers so all kids can go to any school well, private schools can decide on themselves, what education they focus on. bad idea. (eg. religios schools --> no sex ed. --> very bad idea!) Zitat von Telemicus Rade - government budget: 85% national defense, 15% administration, salaries, etc. 0% health care, 0% welfare, 0% anything else see my final comment. just my comment to defense: wouldn't need nearly nothing for defense at all if you adjusted your foreign policy back to sane. Zitat von Telemicus Rade - drugs: any drugs should be available to anyone. Nothing should be illegal. i think weed should be legal because it's mostly harmless. rest should remain illegal because of the costs of treatments afterwards. drug dependency should be treated as a desease, and not as a criminal offense. Most of you americans have not yet understood that wealth (for a broad mass), social security, a big middle class (~70% of the people), health care and a retirement plan are the key to peace and social and political stability. And yes, for that goal we pay up to fifty percent of taxes. And it doesn't matter at all, because even with a low income here (eg. €1000 per month) you can afford lots of things, AND you don't have to worry about health (paid by government), school (paid by gov.), university (access for everyone, no fees until a few years ago, now very little fees (everywhere the same fees)), retirement (gov. retirement plan). We work eight hours a day (talking about employees), we got five weeks of paid vacation, if i'm ill i stay at home or in hospital and still get paid, and if i'm jobless i get money from the gov. for one year (which allows to pay the flat etc. while searching a new job. most of us will try to find a new job a.s.a.p. because they want to be fully paid again). Well, and that all is paid by taxes, and i'm very happy about that and about the fact that i can live my life without worrying about any of the above mentioned. PS: We also receive 14 salaries per year. One extra at Christmas and one extra in summer, for vacation. 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radio Banned by Moderators Registered: Nov 2000 Location: Wien Posts: 1556	03.03.2005 - 16:45 Zitat von Telemicus Rade I believe the Republicans are better because of several reasons. Probably my most important reason is taxation. Democrats like increasing taxes which is bad for business. Democrats also like to make more laws to restrict businesses, more regulations, and other bad things. Hence, Republicans are better. You cannot just give the money to the workers. Workers must earn money, not get it for free. The "free" money was taken from someone else who DID do the work. Why should they not be compensated fairly for the services they performed? Taking from the rich and giving to the poor discourages the rich from working harder, and encourages the poor not to work because they get free stuff. Not good. Well first of all I never said, that workers should get free money... But pushing fees is very good... And free healthcare is a human right... etc. It the duty of a (social) state to tranfser money from the lucky guys to the not so lucky ones... And some guys work ***ing hard.... harder than any millioner in the world... but they get a shit for it... beeing rich has one reason: richt parents(they give u great education and there owen money) btw. the story of the dishwasher that get a millioner isnt true... u got pratical no change to get millioner if u have nothing(there are just a very very very few of em...) and economics is for the people... not people for the economics.... Zitat von Telemicus Rade* I do not believe in a thought police. I think it is fine (but not nice) to think and hate all Jews, or blacks, or whatever, but it is when you perform an illegal act when you should be punished. Thinking bad thoughts isn't going to kill anyone. well the crime ist starting with its plaing... to say, that i hate jews is ok(but not nice) but to say its good to kill all jews is cruelly and not tolerable in democracy to due the base consensus...
UncleFucka - Registered: Jun 2002 Location: CH Posts: 4737	03.03.2005 - 17:10 fist at all, how old are you and whats your profession telemicus? when i was in america, i didn't meet anybody who knew just a fraction of what you know about europe. i dont agree with "85% to national defense". in my oppinion, thats bullshit. who the hell needs "national defense" ? well, we need it, but, 85% of the budget is a hell of an amount of money! dont you think that this could be solved in better/cheaper/"less wars" methods? i dont want to defend the muslim extremists, or better, ANY extremist. concerning the rich people... life is unfair! but isnt it also unfair to take away money from the rich and give it to the poor? .. and now i forgot what else was said
Ezekiel OC Addicted Registered: Jun 2001 Location: na Posts: 3329	03.03.2005 - 17:39 i fully acknowledge dave's statement. unfair or not, if a few people own most of the us it doesn't help anyone but them. wealth needs to be distributed to a certain degree, the key to a working society is a big middle class imho. i think one problem of the american society is it's fear. it fears that muslim extremists are just waiting to destroy the us, it is scared to death of sex and sexual education, abortions and think they need guns to defend their lifes. and as a result many americans don't see that the muslim extremists are keen to annihilate their nation because it bombs their cities and kills their children. that sex education makes most abortions obsolete and helps young people. that the only thing they have to defend their life of are other guns. they are just blinded by their fear. i don't know why, it's just a fact i've noticed. Bearbeitet von Ezekiel am 03.03.2005, 20:08
Hornet331 See you Space Cowboy Registered: Sep 2003 Location: Austria/Korneubu.. Posts: 7680	07.03.2005 - 02:15 Well in this topic many opinions have been brought up some were very interesting other were totaly bs (imo). I just want to pick out some comments that catched my attention and make my own thoughts about it. Zitat von that Zitat von Slipknot Das ist schon richtig, aber ich habe mittlerweile alle Gegner ausgeschaltet und irgendwie passiert da nichts. Wenn du dir das Bild anschaust, dann geht es links in den Gang, dann kommt ein Hinterhof mit einem Gerüst, und einem Haus mit Küche im Keller und einem Stiegenhaus mit 2 Stockwerken. In der Küche soll ein Aufzug sein und ich kann dan entscheiden ob ich die Frau töten soll oder nicht. Aber ich finde nicht mal diesen Aufzug... Töte ich die Frau so wie sie am Bild da steht, dann kommt ein "Mission fehlgeschlagen" afaik in amerika the CEO take full responsibility for there actions they make as CEO and when they are good they get the money (my they not worth it but thats another issue). But when they fabricate a big "OHNOZ" or even betray they are screwed. In the best case they just lose there job and some money. So they have a big responsibility to take. On the other hand when Mangers in Europe do "shit" nothing happens to them... they even get the same money or when they are fired befor there contracts end the get big ammounts of dispatch. (I'v never seen an american CEO getting this) Zitat von DaVe dA RiPPA Zitat von that Zitat von Slipknot Das ist schon richtig, aber ich habe mittlerweile alle Gegner ausgeschaltet und irgendwie passiert da nichts. Wenn du dir das Bild anschaust, dann geht es links in den Gang, dann kommt ein Hinterhof mit einem Gerüst, und einem Haus mit Küche im Keller und einem Stiegenhaus mit 2 Stockwerken. In der Küche soll ein Aufzug sein und ich kann dan entscheiden ob ich die Frau töten soll oder nicht. Aber ich finde nicht mal diesen Aufzug... Töte ich die Frau so wie sie am Bild da steht, dann kommt ein "Mission fehlgeschlagen" It depends on the situation, i agree with you that we need regualtions to protect the enviroment (and currently i study a subject that has that king of matter ) But this regualtions make our countries very unattractive for manufacturing industrie, and not everyone can work in the tertiary sector. (our economie allready consicst of more than 60% of the tertiary sector, and noone knows how much a state can take) Just look at the former Eastern Bloc or China, they have very lackadaisical regulation on envorimental issus (and of course also for labour protecion) and the economie there booms. In hard times i think its necessary to let some down the push the ecnomie and when the economie is running again, they should be reintroduced. Zitat von radio Zitat von DaVe dA RiPPA Zitat von that Zitat von Slipknot Das ist schon richtig, aber ich habe mittlerweile alle Gegner ausgeschaltet und irgendwie passiert da nichts. Wenn du dir das Bild anschaust, dann geht es links in den Gang, dann kommt ein Hinterhof mit einem Gerüst, und einem Haus mit Küche im Keller und einem Stiegenhaus mit 2 Stockwerken. In der Küche soll ein Aufzug sein und ich kann dan entscheiden ob ich die Frau töten soll oder nicht. Aber ich finde nicht mal diesen Aufzug... Töte ich die Frau so wie sie am Bild da steht, dann kommt ein "Mission fehlgeschlagen" So in your opinion im rich cause i attande an Uni/FH ? Thats totaly bs. I agree that there are some cases where your arguments are right but thats more an exception than a rule. For the social system... ihmo it sucks big ass... I mean wtf i got 4 months of unemployment benefit for working only 4 times 4 weeks. Thats just stupid... Also not to mention all the people who exploit this system, they work a short ammount to gain the right to deserve unemployment benefit and than never work again for years. Also why i have to pay criminals (Example: Not long ago a social welfare acceptor killed a mother infront of her kid in a bus. (it was a foreigner but that dosen't matter) The fact is that this person allready lived like 1 year from our money, doing nothing but commit a crime.) And im sure there are much more of such suspects out there. (not killers but persons with criminal intentions.) Im not totaly against the social system, but it needs heavy modifications the stop this exploitation (like a shorter time limit etc.)
veNi hopeless romantic Registered: Jun 2004 Location: las vegas Posts: 793	07.03.2005 - 09:32 i just want to pick on some points you made Zitat von Telemicus Rade - taxes: 0% income tax, 0% sales tax. The only income the federal government will have is 3% interest charged on money lent by the Treasury, duties (import taxes), and levies (gas tax on gasoline, for example) [/B] no taxes.. interesting perspective.. i'll come to that later concerning health care issues - crime: mandatory death penalty for all murders, rapes, kidnappings, child molestors. Anyone in jail has the option of execution if they don't want to serve a sentence. i strongly object... one strike you're out just doesn't work for me.. everyone should be given a second chance, except maybe for mass murderers... it's truly hard to find the right kind of penalty for rapists and molestor but death row for all is inhumane... - abortion: illegal always i respect your point of view, but ruling abortion out as an option for (e.g. rape victims) unwanted pregnancies seems harsh - gay marriage and polygamy: Marriage should not be controlled by the government. full ack - guns: No control by the government. no control? i do believe in some sort of government control, possibly a restriction to one handgun or whatever... - UN: withdraw from the UN immediately come again? - government budget: 85% national defense, 15% administration, salaries, etc. 0% health care, 0% welfare, 0% anything else well.. i strongly disagree, at least concerning my home (austria)... why would we need a budget for national defense? a landlocked country surrounded by members of the european union and some who will be shortly doesnt need a fully capable strikeforce nor new jets.. eventhough the old draken can barely catch up with a commercial airplane... health care on the other hand is alot more important to me.. everyone should be entitled to free basic health care and that should be provided by the government or government-close insurance firms.. everyone should pay for his health care with lets say a flat-tax of 10-20 %.. not like the situation is being treated in austria where a normal citizen who happens to work in 3 different states gets to pay health insurance in all 3 states... [B] - drugs: any drugs should be available to anyone. Nothing should be illegal. very controversial subject.. allow all drugs and let the problem solve itself? i dont think so.. i'd much rather have the "light" drugs legalized and the others completely banned or ? signed christoph..